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I compose music for feature films. I come from a classical background and my music is primarily for the orchestra with additional electronic elements when appropriate. When I compose, I have a full orchestra loaded into samplers. The cost of it really isn't an issue for me, because when I need to do the orchestral mock-ups I need to have the best sounding, most expressive orchestral instruments I can find. The big issue I have had with orchestral sample libraries in the past has been the way they were recorded. Most of them were close mic'ed and not in a proper environment for an orchestra. No matter how much reverb you put on those recordings, they never sound good. The EWQLSO recordings are excellent and sound the way a real orchestra sounds in a hall or sound stage. The sounds are inspiring to play because they sound so good. Simply put: EWQLSO is now the best sounding orchestral library on the market!

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This is a beautifully recorded (and expensive sounding!) orchestra and to have it at your fingertips at the compositional level is quite remarkable and that is before you even consider the way you are able to shift and blend microphone positions to suit the mood of the job in hand. Virtual is not a word I use very often but the Symphonic Orchestra is virtually perfect!

EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Jonathan404 - 08 Oct 09:51AM Hide picture I just wanted to bounce off some people with more knowledge than me my understanding of the difference between the various flavours" of EWQLSO.1) Silver. Reduced number of articulations, 16 bit. Basic set.2) Gold. Full set of articulations, 16 bit3) Platinum. Full set of articulations 24 bit. Therefore better quality (more computer resources needed)So far so good. Please comment if I've got it wrong so far. Now for the bit I'm really interested in.4) Platinum Plus. Full set of articulations both at 16 and 24 bits.Now, what I'm struggling to understand is why I might want this. The only possibility I can think of is, if due to lack of computer resources and therefore slowness in loading, I might want to use the 16 bit samples while composing and only the 24 bit samples for producing a demo. But if this is the only reason I could just use Sibelius Sounds while composing and use Platinum for the demo and save myself some money. Is this correct or am I missing something? All comments welcome. Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by wcreed - 08 Oct 01:52PM Hide picture Yes, you are correct. Needing the 16bit too is sort of anachronistic.One other thing with the Platinum is that is has 3 mic positions.-- Bill ReedSibelius 8.2,Finale, Notion 5, Overture 5, Cubase 8Win10 x64, 32GB RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 18i20Kontakt, VSL, VE Pro, EWQL Orch, Choir and PianosAugust Forster 190 Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Laurence Payne - 08 Oct 01:54PM Hide picture You might find it hard to discern any difference in quality between 16 and 24 bits. Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Rob Tuley - 08 Oct 03:14PM (edited 08 Oct 03:15PM) Hide picture You *could* use Sibelius Sounds when composing and Platinum for the demo, but the sounds themselves will be different (and therefore your might hear a different balance between different instruments, etc), some playing techniques may not be available in both libraries, and/or the two different Sib sound sets may map them differently onto text instructions in your score.Whether that matters for you is your decision of course.How many installations of EW do you get with your license? It would make sense for some people to put the 16 bit EW sounds on a laptop or tablet, and the 24 bit on their studio computer.-- RobSib 4.1, Windows 10. Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Peter Roos - 08 Oct 05:21PM Hide picture Play comes with one license - but since it works with iLok, you can install it on as many computers as you like. It will only work if and when the iLok is plugged in (I believe there's also a soft license, meaning you can log into ilok and move the license from the dongle to your computer). The difference between 16 and 24 bit samples goes back to the days when SO was first introduced (2006? 2008?) and when computer resources (disk space, memory) were significantly more limited and expensive than they are today. -- Peter Rooswww.summeroflovemusic.comIMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Jonathan404 - 09 Oct 08:10AM Hide picture Thanks for feedback. I'm intrigued my Laurence's comment"You might find it hard to discern any difference in quality between 16 and 24 bits"Then I remembered, are not commercial CDs 16 bits? In which case is 24 bits really a big consideration?Is then the 3 mic position advantage of platinum more of a consideration? Does the sound set for platinum from The Sound set Project make use of them? Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Bob Morabito - 09 Oct 09:27AM Hide picture This is probably already known information--but if not, theres a small Symphonic Orchestra Version Comparison Quick Reference chart here: -Orchestra(pls see attachment)Thanks Bob-- Bob Morabito Sib 5.2.5, 6.2, 7.1.3. 7.5.1Fin 2014.5 Mac OS 10.9.5 iMac 32GB RAM, 1 TB SSD -morabito Attachment Screen Shot 2016-10-09 at 5.11.50 AM.png (90K) Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Laurence Payne - 09 Oct 11:13AM (edited 09 Oct 11:55AM) Hide picture > Thanks for feedback. I'm intrigued my Laurence's comment> > "You might find it hard to discern any difference in quality between 16 and 24 bits"> > Then I remembered, are not commercial CDs 16 bits? In which case is 24 bits really a big consideration?> > Is then the 3 mic position advantage of platinum more of a consideration? Does the sound set for platinum from The Sound set Project make use of them?Listen to the demos. You may decide the effect of different microphone positions is exactly the same as would be achieved by adding different amounts of artificial reverb. Or you may decide they add some special magic.A couple of thoughts:Manufacturers are reluctant to market "dry" samples. They don't sound impressive enough in demonstration. But you can't REMOVE reverb ...All recorded music is an illusion. Even more so for music constructed from samples. Consider an analogy from the art world. Do you prefer photo-realism, an impressionistic watercolour, a line drawing ...? (Or are you even sometimes happy to go completely non-representational?)There's more to it than buying squeaky-clean samples. Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Bob Merrill - 09 Oct 12:56PM Hide picture Re: 24-bit - it seems a tiny bit better when mixing. I tend to record original material in 24-bit, especially when there is fairly quiet material. It is the very quiet material - reverb tails, sustained piano or guitar notes as they fade out - where you would even have a chance of hearing the difference. You would have to know what you are listening for, and even so most people would have a difficult time hearing the difference. I think of it as a "grainy" sound.-- Windows 7/64, Sib 8.4.2, Photoscore Ultimate 8.0.4 Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Rob Tuley - 09 Oct 03:51PM Hide picture The point is that "24-bit doesn't necessarily mean 24 bits of data." For instruments where the sound decays, most of the samples will have less than 24 bits of actual content for most of the time.The same applies when recording audio - you have to leave some "headroom" because you don't know in advance exactly how loud the peak signal will be. The same applies to mixing - if for some reason you reduce the amplitude of the audio and then boost it again (for example using EQ to boost a particular frequency range), whenever you lose part of the data it's gone for ever.Also, truncating the data to a fixed number of bits can introduce artefacts, especially in low-level low-frequency sounds, and produce spurious harmonics that "colour" the sound unnaturally, and are in the frequencies where human hearing is most sensitive (around 3 kHz).In practice, "16 bit samples" may only give you 10 or 12 bits of actual audio content in real life. Compare that with the fact that the "grunge" genres of dance music etc intentionally only use 8 bits samples, to get the "grainy" sound they want to produce. but 24 bit samples used with modern software will usually produce 16 bits of "artefact-free" output, without the user needing any specialist knowledge of signal processing and mixing techniques to avoid problems.-- RobSib 4.1, Windows 10. Back to top Allthreads Re: EWQLSO Difference between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Platinum Plus Posted by Peter Roos - 10 Oct 09:12PM Hide picture In theory 24 bit samples / audio has a higher noise floor, or potentially greater dynamic. See the article below for the technical explanation. -bit-vs-24-bit-audio/ In reality the difference is difficult to tell. What makes a real difference is the different microphone positions -- especially for solo instruments having a close mike really brings them out better. It also makes it a bit easier to mix since there is less reverb. About the reverb, Symphonic Orchestra was recorded way back in the days over the course of two years' recording in the Seattle symphony hall. Since all the samples were recorded live, you have the natural beautiful reverb. That is a pro and a con at the same time: you cannot take out the reverb (though, as said, if you use close mikes the reverb is much less). If you're in the market for a symphonic orchestra VST you might also want to take a look at Eastwest's Hollywood series. These are much more expensive and MUCH bigger in terms of sample size and computer resources they need, but offer many more articulations. The strings in particular are spectacular, you can dynamically variate the dynamics and vibrato at the same time, allowing for that lush Hollywood sound. -- Peter Rooswww.summeroflovemusic.comIMDb: www.imdb.com/name/nm2039241 Back to top Allthreads 2ff7e9595c